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Argentine Press - Moot points
Feb 24th, 2010, 11:07pm
 
An article in the Tierra del Fuego press reported that Argentine sovereignty over Antarctica is indisputable. It reports a ceremony attended by Governor Fabiana Rios and Education Minister Amanda del Corro, which was dedicated to Argentine rhetoric about their claim to Antarctica.
Argentina celebrates its right to Antarctica on February 22. These statements was made in the context of that date. The 22nd of February was the date when Argentina took over the Scottish National Antarctic Expedition base on Laurie Island in 1904 at Britain's invitation.

Laurie Island is in the South Orkneys, not Antarctica.

But Argentina still uses this date to maintain its claim to have been in uninterrupted occupation of Antarctica longer than anyone else - now for 106 years!



Another quoted a veteran of the 1982 war calling for regional action against the Falklands. He also stated the time-honoured falsehood that Falkland Islanders had been transported there and so don't count.
It's particularly hypocritical for people in TDF to use the argument that Islanders were transported to the Falklands.

This is not true of the Falklands.

But TDF does have a population many of whom were specifically attracted there by financial and other inducements in order to boost the local population in case of war with Chile over the Beagle Channel dispute.
There are, of course, none of the native Indians left in TDF. They all died out from the diseases brought by the incoming European settlers to which they had no immunity - and the settlers firearms.  
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Re: Argentine Press - Moot points
Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2010, 11:07pm
 
2010 wrote on Feb 24th, 2010, 11:07pm:
An article in the Tierra del Fuego press reported that Argentine sovereignty over Antarctica is indisputable. It reports a ceremony attended by Governor Fabiana Rios and Education Minister Amanda del Corro, which was dedicated to Argentine rhetoric about their claim to Antarctica.
Argentina celebrates its right to Antarctica on February 22. These statements was made in the context of that date. The 22nd of February was the date when Argentina took over the Scottish National Antarctic Expedition base on Laurie Island in 1904 at Britain's invitation.

Laurie Island is in the South Orkneys, not Antarctica.

But Argentina still uses this date to maintain its claim to have been in uninterrupted occupation of Antarctica longer than anyone else - now for 106 years!



Another quoted a veteran of the 1982 war calling for regional action against the Falklands. He also stated the time-honoured falsehood that Falkland Islanders had been transported there and so don't count.
It's particularly hypocritical for people in TDF to use the argument that Islanders were transported to the Falklands.

This is not true of the Falklands.

But TDF does have a population many of whom were specifically attracted there by financial and other inducements in order to boost the local population in case of war with Chile over the Beagle Channel dispute.
There are, of course, none of the native Indians left in TDF. They all died out from the diseases brought by the incoming European settlers to which they had no immunity - and the settlers firearms.  


I wonder why no one is surprised.......?

Some things never change......
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Reply #2 - Mar 9th, 2010, 10:49pm
 
The Orcadas / Orkney ARE in antartica and is REALLY clear.

Britain NEVER claimed for the Laurie Island because is PART of antartica. And was recognised by a Treaty. Another attempt to sabotage the argentine position in antarctica, coming from an expansionst and imperialist power... somethings never change... but unfortunately, as in the M a l v i n a s position the British position is only based in the force. In this case, seems that the Antartic Treaty is nothing to Britain...

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The 22nd of February was the date when Argentina took over the Scottish National Antarctic Expedition base on Laurie Island in 1904 at Britain's invitation.


AND? There are a treaty. And the Island is PART of the Antartic Sector of Argentina and Britain Can't claim it. Do you need lessons about geography?. Don't try to use deceits for justify another agression. Your oun country made the invitation. Read your words again before say another thing. And course, our presence in the continent despite your intentions is very ancient compared with other countries...

Argentina only affirms her presence in Antartica without claim any other territory. The argument presented here is a great stupidity, because claim Laurie as part of Orcadas (another deceit) is claim antartic territory violating the treaty. Britain as well recognise the islands like antartick territory. Here the three pretensions. Chile, Britain and Agentina. All the "pretenders" close the antartic border in 60º And Laurie are in the antartic territory.

http://img83.imageshack.us/i/antartidaar0ax.jpg/

http://www.nuestromar.org/imagenes/noticias/2008/141208_Bases_Antartida_Argentin...

Some lessons of Geography; not only don't have much many knowledge about southamerica, as well have a true lack of knowledge about antartic geography. With the worst intentions towards argentina... some things never change...
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Reply #3 - Mar 13th, 2010, 9:35pm
 
The South Orkney Islands are situated at latitudes about 60°30' to 60°83' S, and longitudes 44°25' to 46°25' W in the Southern Ocean. As a group of islands, they are located at approximately 60°35′S 045°30′W / 60.583°S 45.5°WCoordinates: 60°35′S 045°30′W / 60.583°S 45.5°W, which puts them approximately 604 kilometres (375 mi) north-east of the tip of the Antarctic Peninsula.

Laurie island part of Antarctica? Very "debatable" point indeed…
However they are included within the boundary that the Antarctic Treaty covers (which still does not make them part of Antarctica).
They are not within the Antarctic Circle (approximately 66°30' south, 2620 km north of the south geographic pole)
They are not connected to Antarctica.

“Britain NEVER claimed for the Laurie Island because is PART of Antarctica. And was recognised by a Treaty.”

What Treaty are you referring to?

Final question, why did Argentina call them orcadas and what is the meaning  of this name?
What was wrong with South Orkney?
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Reply #4 - Mar 16th, 2010, 8:08pm
 
Laurie island part of Antarctica? Very "debatable" point indeed…
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However they are included within the boundary that the Antarctic Treaty covers (which still does not make them part of Antarctica).


ALL the countries close the boundaries of the Antartic Sector in 60º. There's no debatable point. The maps are CLEAR. And there's no neeeded any explanation.

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They are not within the Antarctic Circle
They are not connected to Antarctica.


CLEARLY the islands belongs to the Antartic Continent. ARE connected to Antartica. Is obvious, coure, predictably, for your people not... The fact that the Islands are not INSIDE The circle, doesn't mean that are not OUT of antartica. Is evident, almost for all, because the Antartic Sector finish in 60º S not in 66: Britain  finish her antartic sector in the antartic circle as Argentina and Chile, and recognize Orcadas as Antartic Sector, so is very fool think on contrary.

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What Treaty are you referring to?


First: Argentina have PERMANENT presence from 1904 in Antartica. All these argument posted before is FALSE. Britain never rejected or expelled our presence there.

Second: All sovereingty claims are FROZEN, for the Antartic Treaty. So, discuss about ORCADAS is totally incongruent and the UK recognize the islands as antartic sector, so, any argument against our presence in antartica or the very fool attempts of expel to Orcadas from Anartica for strike the Argentine Argument is very difficult to do.

You will need better arguments (or weapons? considering the mentality of Britain is not impossible) for do something...

Third. What's wrong with orcadas? You use orkneys and really I have not problem with it. Have you some problem with my use of the name Orcadas? Sorry but I will call the islands orcadas despite any possible problem for you...

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Reply #5 - Mar 16th, 2010, 9:06pm
 
What does Orcadas mean?

I have absolutely no problem with the name, you can call them what ever you wish, I simply wish to know (if you are able to that is) what the name means.

I suspect it is a Spanish version of Orkney, and if this is the case, then how did Argentina transpose this?

I am only asking - So please keep your hair on....

With the rest of your comments, I think I'll let the readers make their own minds up.
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Reply #6 - Mar 17th, 2010, 8:12pm
 
Ron wrote on Mar 16th, 2010, 9:06pm:
What does Orcadas mean?

I have absolutely no problem with the name, you can call them what ever you wish, I simply wish to know (if you are able to that is) what the name means.

I suspect it is a Spanish version of Orkney, and if this is the case, then how did Argentina transpose this?

I am only asking - So please keep your hair on....

With the rest of your comments, I think I'll let the readers make their own minds up.



Indeed. M A L V I N A S is the same case.  The Frenchs named the islands MALOUINES, because the french marines and the colonists of Louis de Boungaville was from de City of Saint Maló, in France. Both names are Spanish inheritance.
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Reply #7 - Mar 17th, 2010, 9:02pm
 
Shuriel,

I already knew the original French name/s of “Islas Nuevas”/“Les Isles Nouvelles” (The New Islands) and which continued to be used by the Port of Buenos Aires well into the 19th Century.
Then how The French Geographer Royal, Guillaume Delisle, invented a better name on two maps of 1720 and 1722 (the first not published till later) – he called them “Les Iles Malouines”, after the port of St Malo in Brittany, home port of the French ships which had visited the Falklands.
It was transposed from "Les Iles Malouines", “Iles Malouines”, adapting it into “Islas Maluinas” and the bastardisation of what you call our country nowadays started about 1805.

But how do you transpose Orkney to Orcadas.

If you can't answer, just say so, don't worry nobody will think the worse of you.
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very big thank
Reply #8 - Mar 19th, 2010, 8:06pm
 
Shuriel,

a bit reluctant to answer the query, so may I answer it for you

The South Orkney Islands were discovered by Nathaniel Brown Palmer and George Powell (he also claimed them for the British Crown) in 1821, who gave them the name of Powell’s group.
In February 1822 James Weddell gave them their present name of the South Orkney Islands, (from the Orkney Islands, Scotland).

The “British” Orkneys were first known as the “Orcades” and this name would undoubtedly have been known and used especially by the Gaelic tribes, and by the ancient Britons.
The name was also mentioned in the 1st century BC by the Roman writer Diodrus Siculus and also by the Roman geographer Pliny.

Orkney is actually a Norse type of transposition from that name.

So I think a very big thank you is needed to whoever named the base “Orcadas” and thus preserving this very British name.
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Botox Belle does it again.....
Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:28pm
 
I see the conflict between the Belle of the Botox and the rest of Congress still rages, and, which in fact seems to have worsened.
She has defiantly promised more decrees and vetoes (for Bills that she doesn’t like that originates from a Congress she no longer controls).
This row is mainly about the use of Central Bank funds to pay for Argentina’s huge foreign debt (which by the way is not Argentina’s fault, but everybody else’s…..).

This conflict has led to one particularly nasty action by the government against a judge, Maria Sarmiento, who had given judgement against Cristina (in a past hearing), and whose father, now 85 years old, is a retired colonel, who had been involved in the tortures and murders of the "dirty war".
A case against him for abuse of human rights was heard in 2006 and in 2008.
Three days ago it was suddenly revived - obviously to hit back at his daughter Judge Maria Sarmiento.
Gendarmes arrived at the old man's apartment to arrest him only to find him too ill with Parkinson's disease to move and in a wheel chair.
They reported this, and the arrest order was then lifted.
It was clearly a move against his daughter - that's Argentina for you.
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Argentina to feature in "Alice in Wonderland..."
Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:32pm
 
The TDF newspaper Tiempo Fueguino reports that a complaint has been made to the OAS about Britain's oil exploration activities.
This has all the usual nonsense about Britain acting "illegally" and "unilaterally" over Falklands oil exploration, which it claims is a breach of UN Resolution 31-42.

However, If you look at this resolution - it urges Argentina and Britain to: "refrain from actions that would imply introducing unilateral modifications”.
It was passed on 1st December 1976, when Britain was still negotiating with Argentina in the hope of finding a solution.
It is absurd to refer to it now, after a war, and when both sides have committed so many other unilateral acts.

The Argentine invasion on 2nd April 1982 was the biggest unilateral act.
Then, in 1994, there was another unilateral act as Argentina put its claim into its new constitution.
Last December there was yet another, when Argentina included the Falklands in the province of Tierra del Fuego.
Probably, the most recent relevant Argentine “unilateral” act was the repudiation in 2007 of the 1995 Oil Agreement with Britain.

It seems for Argentina to do that is OK, but for Britain to then continue with what that treaty had allowed - is now a “unilateral” act.

Sometimes I think the Argentines should feature in Alice in Wonderland. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel with this.
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Only in Argentina.....
Reply #11 - Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:10pm
 
Because Barclays Bank has a financial involvement in Falklands Oil, two fanatics didn’t like this involvement (especially after being whipped up by the Argentine Press and Government).
So they decided to burn down the nearest bank, which was in Mar Del Plata.

Which is exactly what they did – except it wasn’t a Barclays bank  – it was a HSBC branch…..

Only in Argentina…. Smiley
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International Association of Prosecutors
Reply #12 - Jul 26th, 2010, 8:31pm
 
Falkland Islands prosecutors join the association – Argentina walks out..!!

Ha-ha-ha-ho-ho-ho-he-he-he….!!!!

Or as they put it - JAJAJAJAJAJA..!

http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/23/argentina-walks-out-of-prosecutors-organizat...

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International Court of Justice -
Reply #13 - Jul 26th, 2010, 8:54pm
 
Clarin’s article in its “Opinion” series about the Kosovo case submitted by Serbia to the International Court of Justice is quite interesting, because the court ruled in favour of the Kosovo’s right to self determination.

Clarin (as I read it) sees this as a possible precedent for the Falklands, and personally, I think, quite rightly so.

The real funny thing about this court hearing, was the fact that Argentina was legally represented by the Legal Adviser of the Foreign Ministry, Susana Ruiz Cerutti, legal head also in the trial against Uruguay.

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Reply #14 - Jul 28th, 2010, 1:25pm
 
very interesting..eps. the picture with those albanians:D
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